About 50 people crowded into room 107 at the Minnesota Capitol yesterday afternoon for a hearing conducted by the Senate Committee on Commerce and Consumer Protection. Sen. Linda Scheid, chairman of the committee, called the hearing in response to a series of newspaper articles published last summer in the Minneapolis-based Star Tribune. The series, entitled “Lenders gone wild,” suggested that too few regulators were examining the banking industry in the state.
The following people presented at the hearing:
- Glenn Wilson, Commissioner of Commerce, State of Minnesota
- Kevin Murphy, Deputy Commissioner of Commerce, State of Minnesota
- James LaPierre, FDIC Kansas City Regional Director
- Keith Morton, Regional Director, National Credit Union Administration
- Joe Witt, President of the Minnesota Bankers Association
- Steve Huston, President BankWest, Rockford, Minn.
- Marshall Mackay, President and CEO, Independent Community Bankers of Minnesota
- Noah Wilcox, President and CEO, Grand Rapids State Bank, Grand Rapids, Minn.
- Mark Cummins, President, Minnesota Credit Union Network
- Bill Raker, President and CEO, U.S. Federal Credit Union, Burnsville.
The hearing lasted four hours, with Deputy Commissioner Murphy using an hour and 25 minutes to provide a thorough explanation of how a bank works and how banks are regulated. Each presenter offered educational testimony. Joe Witt of the MBA had the most impassioned presentation. His frustration with the major media was evident. Following are excerpts from his testimony.
We are not seeing anything different in Minnesota from what is happening in other states. In the second quarter, Minnesota banks out-performed the national averages. In the second quarter, 78.2 percent of Minnesota banks broke even or were profitable. The national figure was 71.7 percent. So we were a little better than the national average. As far as income generation, Minnesota banks made $153 million, as of the second quarter. Nationally, banks had lost $3.7 billion. So we were ahead of the national averages both in percentage of banks that were making money, and also in the profitability figures.
I don’t like to see any banks lose money. I am not trying to put a positive spin on that; it’s a fact that some banks are losing money. But it is also a fact that we are beating the national averages and you wouldn’t know that from reading some of the stories that are out there in the papers.
You’ve heard some big numbers thrown around – 70 banks are on the watch list, 90 banks that are losing money, those kinds of things. Those raw numbers make an impact, but when you look at the percentages, which is the way everyone in the industry looks at it, from a percentage standpoint our banks are doing better than banks in other states. I wish all the reporting would look at it that way, but again, they haveto do what they can. I also wish they would write the story that in the second quarter, 333 Minnesota banks were making money. You don’t see that story in your headlines among the stories you handed out there; it just doesn’t make what the newspapers consider to be good reporting these days, evidently.
…The fact is, Minnesota banks are lending. In Minnesota in 2008, bank lending was up 4 percent, including 1 percent total gross lending in the fourth quarter of 2008 when most people were reporting that the world was coming to an end. In 2009 in the first quarter, we were up another 1 percent and in the second quarter we were up another 2 percent; banks are definitely lending. Our biggest challenge is not that banks are not lending, our biggest challenge is we are struggling to find loan demand.
There have been a lot of media reports lately containing references to “risky” lending. “This bank, that bank gets into trouble for risky lending.” This term is never really defined but the story writers repeat it so often that they start to think that it’s true. I think you have to be really careful about these undefined terms.
For example, a bank in southeast Minnesota failed just last week. Second paragraph of the story says “that the Twin Cities banks are not the only ones engaged in risky lending.” The rest of the story goes on to tell you why that particular bank failed. It failed because of a large internal fraud and because one of its biggest loan customers misappropriated $1 million worth of collateral. That is why it failed. The story didn’t make any reference to risky lending, didn’t explain what that term meant, it just threw it around gratuitously because now it has become some sort of accepted fact that all the banks are into this, what they are calling risky lending. The damage has been done. The implication is that now all delinquent loans are somehow tied to this concept of risky lending. You can’t draw this conclusion, you just can’t. A perfectly underwritten loan can go bad.
Our banks are generally very conservative underwriters, they have strong documentation standards. Some lenders in the marketplace truly do make risky loans and we have talked about that in this committee. We know that mortgage brokers made liar loans. Finance companies made 125 percent loan to value mortgage loans. They let you pull out a whole bunch of value that wasn’t even there, and that is when the values were inflated. That’s a risky loan. Other lenders made commercial loans without all the traditional documentation and covenants in them. Those are risky loans.
My point today is just because a loan went bad doesn’t mean that it was a risky loan. Regulated banks do not get away with making those types of risky loans. There’s different types of lenders so when you look at regulations, there are different types of regulation for different types of lenders. Make sure you acknowledged those differences when you make your regulations.
Sen. Scheid she does not expect legislation to result from the hearing. In an interview after the hearing, she answered her own question when she said to me: “Are we doing enough in our bank examination regimen, is that adequate? I think the answer is yes, it seems to me it works really well, and it is important that legislators understand.”
In the early 1990s, the Commerce Committee used to conduct informational hearings early in the session. More recently, however, they have gotten away from conducting those kinds on hearings. Sen. Scheid said it is very difficult to conduct informational hearings during the session because lawmakers want to focus on specific legislation during the session. Perhaps it would be good to get back to conducting these kinds of hearings every so often.